Subject: RE: Interesting Information
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:24:39 -0700
From: Marc Juliano <marcj@billymeier.com>
Organization: FIGU Los Angeles Study Group
To: Mark L. Center<MarkLCenter@iname.com>

On Monday, July 20, 1998 8:28 AM, Mark L. Center

> Hello,
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> You may want to read this.
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> http://www.uforeport.com/erskine~1.htm
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> Regards,
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> Mark L. Center

It's sad that people feel compelled to buy into the "noise" that some  uninformed individuals invent for some sensational exposé or grandiose "slam" against someone (usually to make a buck or make themselves seem more important) because the material doesn't fit into their picture.  It would be nice if they could get the facts before posting trash.  That's how you can figure out if anybody has really done their homework or if they're just blowing smoke. I put some text below to clarify some of these totally asinine lies, although it's really up to you and other people who question it to sort it out for yourselves. 

Randolph Winters was never on the "staff of FIGU."  He was a  self-proclaimed FIGU member who ultimately was out to cash in on what he  viewed as a marketable "product".  FIGU's and Meier's disassociation with him has been known for years.  (whether or not Winters cares to admit the truth of what really happened).  His material, which I've listened to for years, is full of verifiable errors, therefore why would you trust with certainty anything he has to say?

Posted by FIGU in 1994:

Randolph Winters New Lies, Misrepresentations, Errors and Intrigues from the USA Within certain circles in the United States of America, Randolph Winters is  a well known and popular man because he depicts himself as a direct and  authorized Billy Meier representative, and boasts, particularly at lectures, of his close association and collaboration with Billy and the F.I.G.U. - which is a verifiable lie. Without authorization, and in spite of a prohibition by F.I.G.U. and the Pleiadians to do so, Randolph Winters has the audacity to give lectures and radio/TV interviews, and at the height of impertinence and disdain he formed The Pleiades Project. Randolph Winters, who may be considered as one of the Mission's greatest liars and profiteers in the USA today, has now published a book with the grandiose title The Pleiadian Mission. In it he unleashes information on Billy's contacts, the Pleiadian mission and F.I.G.U. and launches wild and shabby proclamations that are not based on any truthful background whatsoever. (The same applies to Winters' UFO - The Pleiadian Contacts, a 16 audio tape set plus a book of drawings and diagrams, and the video tape The Pleiadian Connection.)

Billy Meier and F.I.G.U. hereby expressly distance themselves from Winters' deception and are able to state, after an in-depth review, that the book contains numerous untruthful details and many lies as well as misrepresentations, e.g., Randolph's claim that the contacts had been terminated in 1978. It is a lie that the contacts with the Pleiadians have ended on Thursday, October 19, 1978, and that Billy was incapable of heading F.I.G.U., as Winters states on page 232 in his book The Pleiadian Mission. The truth is that the contacts are ongoing even now (1994), and neither the Pleiadians nor Billy are planning to end the contacts in the near future.

Concerning the contact reports it must be stated that the 115th contact took place on October 19, 1978, and that Billy has since had 174 additional contacts. Of these 174 contacts, 135 were official and the basis for contact reports; 39 were of an unofficial nature and no contact reports were written on them. At this time, late 1994, 250 official contact reports are in evidence. There exist many very erroneous statements in Randolph Winters' book regarding data, representations of truth on Creation, and other  specifications and statements of facts and the like. The material Randolph Winters used in his book had been given to him by  Billy in confidence for Randolph's own use, respectively his personal  progression. In effect, however, the material was later stolen and utilized for commercial and profiteering purposes without ever having received any  type of authorization to do so, without asking Billy for his permission, or without compensating Billy in any manner for unlawfully using his material and intellectual information, to mention but a few points.

"Billy" Eduard Albert Meier
Semjase-Silver-Star-Center
CH-8495 Hinterschmidrueti ZH, Switzerland 

"9th Question:
Many famous people came to see you, such as Shirley McLaine, Hermann van  Veen, and Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, among others. What did they want to know and what did you pass along to them?

Answer:
The reasons why famous people visit me are different from one person to the next. Some people want to see me because they are hoping to reconfirm their personal philosophies, while others come with an honest, personal interest in the mission, the teachings, and contacts. Others visit me hoping they can tie in their sectarian and false assumptions with the truthful spiritual teachings, to gain more importance for themselves in front of others. Shirley McLaine came to the center for a 5 day visit, from October 2-7,  1981. She had with her Solo, a dark skinned man, Lee Elders, and his wife.  During this time she really plied me daily, for several hours, with  questions concerning my mission, the Creative and spiritual teachings,  universal philosophy, the spiritual and Creative laws and commandments,  along with their mode of action and reaction, and so forth.

She very neatly wrote down everything we discussed, including all my teachings, and recorded them on audio tape at the same time. She published her subsequent  book, Out on a Limb apparently stimulated by my teachings and the long,  weighty disclosures. However, she did not stick whatsoever to the  information, truths, and teachings. Instead, she grossly changed and  falsified the teachings and the truth until, ultimately, it had no  resemblance to the Creative truth and spiritual teachings anymore. The  teaching became pure fantasy, born from sources that are on a collision  course with the truth. They are founded on complete ignorance of the truth  because they stem from widely spread sectarian false teachings. After  having made many wild claims, it appears, Shirley McLaine had second  thoughts and felt uneasy about them, but did not have the courage to tell  the truth and to describe her experiences the way they really took place.

With a great deal of imagination, she not only changed my name and the location of our conversations and teachings in her book to South America, but gave me a Spanish sounding, false name. She blew the conversations and proffered teachings out of proportion until they became an untrue, unreal story. It seems she was driven by an urge for fame beyond death. She dreamed up alleged knowledge and information, teachings concerning the spirit lessons, rebirth, and former lives, which have no basis in the Creative spiritual truth or any truth. I did not give her the slightest hint regarding any of her previous lives, personalities she might have been, or spirit form. Such claims are purely fictional. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, a well known doctor from Switzerland now living in the United States, who visited me for one afternoon with her sister, has a similar attitude as Shirley McLaine.

Elisabeth Kübler-Ross came with a preconceived sectarian conviction, like Shirley McLaine, regarding god, reincarnation, life after death, etc., and it appears that she was hoping I would corroborate her faith in the prevailing format. She apparently was trying to amalgamate her false, religion oriented, untenable conclusions concerning previous lives, life after death, and a spirit guide who is directing her, with the spirit teachings to get a solid foundation for her ghost stories. This attempt failed thoroughly, because the truth is, and remains, the truth for all eternity. Truth cannot be adjusted to some crazy ideas, visions, intrigues or false teachings and cannot be intermingled with them.

The only prominent visitor amongst those who contacted me, who obtained all  texts and information without later bartering them off or somehow falsifying them, is Hermann van Veen. In the songs he composes one finds an honest and sincere engagement and exposition of spiritual teachings, truth, the Creative laws and commandments, and life. He is one of the few famous people, of the many who contacted me, who cannot be accused of any negative, reprehensible actions regarding the misuse of the teachings, truth, etc. The difference between a well known personality and another so-called normal person is, that it is much easier for the celebrity to present his/her false or correct opinion to the broad public, and that the public will believe him or her quicker, and to a greater extent, than would be the case with a "regular" mortal." 

Regards,

Marc Juliano
FIGU - L.A. Study Group

Subject: Re: Re: Review Information
Date: Wed, 15 Jul. 1998 02:58:43 EDT
From: JPayton790@aol.com
To: MarkLCenter@iname.com

Mark got a response from Randolph Winters saying while he was on the staff of FIGU Shirley McLaine promised to send money to fix the roof , but never followed up with her promise. Good for Ms. McLaine, but at the compound I was told by our tour guide Ms. McLaine had paid for the entranceway. I have this on tape. The validity perhaps we will have to ask Shirley, but the fact that she wouldn't contribute as much as FIGU wished fits in with my understanding. Thanks to Randolph Winters for his clarification.

FOX Show for release in fall winter:

Erskine

Mark---FYI Thought you'd like to post:

Phoenix radio talk show host Erskine, has uncovered evidence debunking a well known Swiss cult. Founder "Billy" Meier, claimed to be in contact with alien representatives from another universe and released photographs of these emissaries. Among Meier's believers was Shirlry McLaine, who gave over $100,000 to build an entrance plaque to the Meier compound entitled the "Semjase Silver Star Center."

Erskine now reveals for the first time, that the "deities" photographed by Meier are in fact pictures taken from a U.S. television special broadcast in the early 1970s. Costumed performers appearing in programs were the actual models claimed to be aliens by Meier. Photographic and video evidence revealing the hoax will soon be published in a national newspaper.

Erskine is a widely known "mystical enquirer" who has appeared as a paranormal expert on national radio and television for the past decade. He was most recently in Europe doing work for an upcoming TV special on the  FOX network. In 1992, FOX honored him with their "creativity Award" at the Seattle National Affiliates meeting. His late night radio call-in program "Erskine Overnight" has been well received in Phoenix, Reno, and Louisville Kentucky.

"Erskine Overnight" is due to be syndicated this fall. Commercial stations which service late night listeners may wish to obtain further information on this programming opportunity, by calling (602) 609-0343 oe E-Mail @ JPayton790@AOL.com.